Permit Process

Gena575 · 09-13-2006, 08:00 AM

Well, at least one of ya'll wants to hear this

So far, I've applied and been approved for level one access at the USDA eAuthentication site. (www.eauth.egov.usda.gov) Now I have to go to my local USDA office, who by the way thought it was HYSTERICAL that I wanted a snail shipping permit, and give them my drivers license so they can make sure I am who I say I am. That will give me level 2 access to the site.

polocrosseplyer · 09-13-2006, 09:09 AM

geez. didnt know you had to have a permit to ship snails...!

Gena575 · 09-13-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by polocrosseplyer

geez. didnt know you had to have a permit to ship snails...!

You do for pomacea bridgesii, aka mystery snails or brigs. For common ponds, ramshorns and MTS you don't. Pomacea canaliculata, aka apple snails or canas,can't be shipped between states at all. I don't think Marisas or Columbian Ramshorns can either, but not sure on that. I don't keep them because they eat plants so I'm not up on them.

Gena575 · 09-13-2006, 02:26 PM

The visit to the USDA office was fairly uneventful. No problems getting the level 2 authorization. Finding the ePermit once I got home was another matter entirely!! The gov't does NOT like making things easy

The website is https://epermits.aphis.usda.gov. The form number is PPQ Form 526. Beyond that it is merely a matter of filling in the blanks. I've submitted one for Indiana and am waiting to see what happens from there before submitting more.

beviking · 09-14-2006, 11:49 AM

Right behind you Gena. Just got to get down to the office for level 2

I haven't looked at the permit app yet, but can you just file for all states at once?

-Bill

Gena575 · 09-14-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by beviking

Right behind you Gena. Just got to get down to the office for level 2

I haven't looked at the permit app yet, but can you just file for all states at once?

-Bill

No, you have to fill out one for each stinkin state. I'm not bothering with Alaska or Hawaii as they are too far for me to ship comfortably and nothing gets into Hawaii. But, I figured out this morning that you can click on the copy icon next to the permit you've already filed and then simply change the state. MUCH quicker that way than re-entering all that information.

Gena575 · 09-25-2006, 06:40 PM

Well, I have the first 3 permits

Last Friday I got messages that I needed to confirm conditions. There were several, such as I have to keep shipping records for 2 years, ship the snails in escape proof containers, that I can be inspected during "normal business hours" and such. Nothing horrible really. I confirmed those Friday through the website. Today Dr. Swallow called as I had somehow submitted AZ 3 times. It took some getting used to with the site LOL! She was VERY nice!

All together, it took from 9/13 to 9/25 for those permits to be approved. Not bad considering it is the gov't. I expect by 10/1 or so to have all the permits ready to go.

If anyone has questions on how I filled mine out or navigating the site, please PM me or post. I'll do my best to help out.

Gena575 · 10-11-2006, 05:01 PM

Today I received the final 12 permits. Took almost a month all in all, not bad and I'm legal to ship to the lower 48. The offer does still stand if anyone needs help or has questions, I'm open to PMs or answering here.

wannabefishguru · 10-11-2006, 11:55 PM

all that to breed and ship snails or at least to ship snails? did you have to dish out any money?

Gena575 · 10-12-2006, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wannabefishguru

all that to breed and ship snails or at least to ship snails? did you have to dish out any money?

It really wasn't that big of a deal, once I figured out what I was doing. Probably 3 hours or so of my time, that I'd be wasting online anyway

And the entire process is free.

wannabefishguru · 10-12-2006, 05:42 AM

Chickieepooh2u · 12-06-2006, 11:59 AM

I just submitted my last app this morning. Got a tad bit tedious. lol The girls at my USDA office laughed at me too. *sigh*

beviking · 03-01-2007, 12:12 PM

They all laugh I think 'cuz they know they've got us in their wicked clutch of oppressing rules and regulations *insert crazy-guy laughter*
I have permits for US places I didn't know were US territories!

You get in that mode and I just kept clicking on the next in line in the drop down window. Then at the end I'm wondering how I have 56 apps when there's only 49 states...

BTW, Chickie, where'd you get that pic of me?

-Bill (...wait a minute, I have to take off my socks so I can count the states again

)

CaptnDan · 03-01-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by beviking

Then at the end I'm wondering how I have 56 apps when there's only 49 states...

Do you need a permit to ship within your own state? Just wondering since you said there are 49...

Is this a "for commercial purposes only" type thing? Or do I actually need a permit to send a few snails to a friend? And one more.... Do you need permits for all the states they will pass through, or just destination?

Chickieepooh2u · 03-02-2007, 11:00 AM

Just the destination Dan, and no you don't need a permit for your own state. I didn't bother with Alaske, Hawaii and the territories. I don't hink you need a permit for regular pond snails, only Brigs and Canas. Technically you would need a permit to send them to a friend out of state yes. But then again, what they don't know....lol

Mr Aquarium · 03-03-2007, 06:26 PM

And just when you thought You've heard it all, lmao,.

I know alot of people who ship snails cross the states, and never heard any of them say anything about needing or having permits.

OrionGirl · 03-03-2007, 07:28 PM

People do things illegally a lot. Kudos for determing what's needed to comply with the laws.

beviking · 03-08-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chickieepooh2u

Just the destination Dan, and no you don't need a permit for your own state. I didn't bother with Alaske, Hawaii and the territories. I don't hink you need a permit for regular pond snails, only Brigs and Canas. Technically you would need a permit to send them to a friend out of state yes. But then again, what they don't know....lol

Right!

But...the reason (I was told) for needing the permit for brigs in the first place was that they're hard to distinguish from Canas when young. As far as I know, you can't get a permit to ship Canas and they (USDA-APHIS) doesn't even want to see Canas at the same facility as brigs. Line one on my permit conditions page states "Shipments must not be contaminated with other species of snails, especially plant-feeding snails like Pomacea canaliculata. Contamination of any shipment with plant-feeding snails is a violation of this permit."

-Bill

03-16-2007, 11:00 AM

What does someone who is moving out of state and wants to keep their snails do? Just take them with and keep them in safe responsible conditions?

Corax · 06-08-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelFyre

What does someone who is moving out of state and wants to keep their snails do? Just take them with and keep them in safe responsible conditions?

"don't ask, don't tell"

09-13-2006, 08:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
Gena575 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 51	Permit Process Well, at least one of ya'll wants to hear this So far, I've applied and been approved for level one access at the USDA eAuthentication site. (www.eauth.egov.usda.gov) Now I have to go to my local USDA office, who by the way thought it was HYSTERICAL that I wanted a snail shipping permit, and give them my drivers license so they can make sure I am who I say I am. That will give me level 2 access to the site.

09-13-2006, 09:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
polocrosseplyer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 227	geez. didnt know you had to have a permit to ship snails...! __________________ 55 gal african cichlid tank - The kids mostly Malawi 1. Yellow Lab 1 saulosi 2 red zebra 1 melanchromis parallelus(male) 1 socolofi( sp) and 2 other's that slightly resemble it 1 pseud. elongatus ? (blue n black) 1 albino arautaus 1. perlmutt 1 pink/white/blue fish 25g long - 1 male convict - Dozer

10-11-2006, 11:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
wannabefishguru learning to be the best Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: somewhere by the grain elevator, Iowa Posts: 510	all that to breed and ship snails or at least to ship snails? did you have to dish out any money? __________________ 29g AGA-natural gravel/Fake plants-AC300 7 black skirt tetras 1 i think leopard pleco 1 upside down catfish R.I.P. Dogface and Junior

10-12-2006, 05:42 AM	#11 (permalink)
wannabefishguru learning to be the best Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: somewhere by the grain elevator, Iowa Posts: 510	cool __________________ 29g AGA-natural gravel/Fake plants-AC300 7 black skirt tetras 1 i think leopard pleco 1 upside down catfish R.I.P. Dogface and Junior

03-02-2007, 11:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
Chickieepooh2u Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 390	Just the destination Dan, and no you don't need a permit for your own state. I didn't bother with Alaske, Hawaii and the territories. I don't hink you need a permit for regular pond snails, only Brigs and Canas. Technically you would need a permit to send them to a friend out of state yes. But then again, what they don't know....lol __________________ ~Valerie~

09-13-2006, 02:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Gena575 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 51	The visit to the USDA office was fairly uneventful. No problems getting the level 2 authorization. Finding the ePermit once I got home was another matter entirely!! The gov't does NOT like making things easy The website is https://epermits.aphis.usda.gov. The form number is PPQ Form 526. Beyond that it is merely a matter of filling in the blanks. I've submitted one for Indiana and am waiting to see what happens from there before submitting more.

09-14-2006, 11:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
beviking resU deretsigeR Join Date: May 2006 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 445	Right behind you Gena. Just got to get down to the office for level 2 I haven't looked at the permit app yet, but can you just file for all states at once? -Bill

09-25-2006, 06:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gena575 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 51	Well, I have the first 3 permits Last Friday I got messages that I needed to confirm conditions. There were several, such as I have to keep shipping records for 2 years, ship the snails in escape proof containers, that I can be inspected during "normal business hours" and such. Nothing horrible really. I confirmed those Friday through the website. Today Dr. Swallow called as I had somehow submitted AZ 3 times. It took some getting used to with the site LOL! She was VERY nice! All together, it took from 9/13 to 9/25 for those permits to be approved. Not bad considering it is the gov't. I expect by 10/1 or so to have all the permits ready to go. If anyone has questions on how I filled mine out or navigating the site, please PM me or post. I'll do my best to help out.

10-11-2006, 05:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
Gena575 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 51	Today I received the final 12 permits. Took almost a month all in all, not bad and I'm legal to ship to the lower 48. The offer does still stand if anyone needs help or has questions, I'm open to PMs or answering here.

12-06-2006, 11:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
Chickieepooh2u Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 390	I just submitted my last app this morning. Got a tad bit tedious. lol The girls at my USDA office laughed at me too. sigh

03-01-2007, 12:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
beviking resU deretsigeR Join Date: May 2006 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 445	They all laugh I think 'cuz they know they've got us in their wicked clutch of oppressing rules and regulations insert crazy-guy laughter I have permits for US places I didn't know were US territories! You get in that mode and I just kept clicking on the next in line in the drop down window. Then at the end I'm wondering how I have 56 apps when there's only 49 states... BTW, Chickie, where'd you get that pic of me? -Bill (...wait a minute, I have to take off my socks so I can count the states again )

03-03-2007, 06:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mr Aquarium Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Eastern Iowa Posts: 168	And just when you thought You've heard it all, lmao,. I know alot of people who ship snails cross the states, and never heard any of them say anything about needing or having permits.

03-03-2007, 07:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
OrionGirl Miss you, Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Location: California coastline Posts: 6,683	People do things illegally a lot. Kudos for determing what's needed to comply with the laws. __________________ ~Sheila tempus edax rerum Ideas do not have to be correct in order to be good; its only necessary that, if they do fail, they do so in an interesting way. ~Robert Rosen

03-16-2007, 11:00 AM	#19 (permalink)
AngelFyre Posts: n/a	What does someone who is moving out of state and wants to keep their snails do? Just take them with and keep them in safe responsible conditions?

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