vallisneria spiralis

J4MES · 01-28-2007, 05:37 AM

Looks like a nice healthy plant there. Well done.

J4MES

OrionGirl · 01-28-2007, 10:22 AM

Gorgeous...I love how it fills that corner!

joephys · 01-28-2007, 04:18 PM

Thanks, thats an old shot. The thread is from august so the picture is at least that old or older. The tank doesn't look like that anymore. The stuff went from about 6 small plants to 1/3 of the tank so I pulled almost all of it out. It is slowly getting to the point where it will explode again though.

J4MES · 02-27-2007, 09:41 AM

woops

J4MES

djlen · 02-27-2007, 10:16 AM

Joe - are you sure that's Val.? I've grown all kinds of Val. and never seen it look quite like that. Especially any type of spiral or corkskrew Val.
Looks more like Sagittaria subulata of some type to me.

Len

DaisyTattoo · 02-27-2007, 10:21 AM

I was thinking that it didnt look like sprial val either....esp since it isn't spiralled lol.....just tell me to shutup, i just started with plants recently and I dont know what I'm talking about anyway....

joephys · 02-27-2007, 12:09 PM

It could be, that is how it was sold when I bought it. I think that vallisneria spiralis is Italian vall, and that sprial vall is something different. I remember it confusing me at some point and when I looked it up, its just that the latin name is similar to the word spiral. I don't really know for sure though.

RTR · 02-27-2007, 04:02 PM

Val. spiralis has flat leaves. The 'spiralis' species name refers to the flower stalk, which coils, not to the leaves at all. And I promise you it does coil. The tank varietes of this plant appear to be entirely female BTW, so there is frequent opportunity to see these spiralling flower stalks and their insignificant blooms.

Don't get confused by expecting species or variety names to be always obviously descriptive of the vegatative plant (or fish). Do not expect Val 'nana' to be small in the sense of short - the leaves are almost as long as Jungle Val, just very thin.

djlen · 02-28-2007, 09:03 AM

I have seen that occur with regard to plant size; ie. Cryptocoryne pygmea which refers to flower size not plant size, but was unaware there was a Val. that was in that category.
Thanks, once again for the heads up on that one Robert.

Len

Native American · 03-14-2007, 08:49 PM

Corkscrew val is the one that, well, looks like a corkscrew, I would guess.

Looks like Italian Val to me. I've got some in my son's 10gal, and it doesn't grow too tall, relatively speaking. But man does it send out runners fast. I just started with one sickly little bunch I divided into 3 rootings, and now they've quadrupled the number of leaves in a month via runners and just more leaves from the original plantings. Just a little fish poo makes this stuff have a population explosion.

I've got giant val in my big tank...omgarsh, this stuff can get 3 feet long. Planted a couple sickly looking ones, and now I'm getting the Amazon look.

JoePhys, I sure like your setup.

v/r, N-A

Aussie_hippie_2 · 03-15-2007, 06:31 AM

Looks like Italian Val to me. How big is the tank?

RTR · 03-15-2007, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Native American

I've got giant val in my big tank...omgarsh, this stuff can get 3 feet long. Planted a couple sickly looking ones, and now I'm getting the Amazon look.

LOL! Just wait - Jungle/giant Val can make 6'+/- leaves.

Hound · 03-17-2007, 09:55 AM

Aye, my jungle val, which I wouldn't mind replacing, commonly get leaves in the 5' range before I trim them up. I know it doesn't like to get trimed, but it just keeps on growing and growing and growning . . .

Native American · 08-12-2007, 08:06 PM

RTR and Hound, I'm pulling out 6 foot leaves from my 100gal. Good Lord, I need some shorter stuff.

Those Italian Vals the fish dealer sold me for my son's 10gal? They're all 3' long now! NOT Italian Vals, for sure. Trimming and pulling just to stay ahead.

Joe, would you be willing to sell some of that shorter Val? Looks like what I need. The stuff I have is just too doggone long.

Regards, N-A

sarcare · 08-13-2007, 06:14 AM

NA, I have italian val that gets four to five feet easy--the Jungle val I have in there gets long as well, but the leaves are distinctly different.

RTR · 08-13-2007, 07:43 AM

Val is not always easy to distinguish between the many forms, excepting Jungle Val which is much larger and thicker leafed. It can in general behave a bit like many Crypts, varying growth form with tank conditions. LFS or chain store accuracy in labeling is never to be trusted.

joephys · 08-14-2007, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Native American

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Joe, would you be willing to sell some of that shorter Val? Looks like what I need. The stuff I have is just too doggone long...

I would be, but I don't have any to sell, sorry.

Native American · 08-14-2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarcare

NA, I have italian val that gets four to five feet easy--the Jungle val I have in there gets long as well, but the leaves are distinctly different.

I do believe you're right...these seem to be different from the thick-bodied jungle val leaves.

N-A

Emg · 08-14-2007, 04:57 PM

Looks alot like the val I got from Reiv.....

08-19-2006, 09:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
joephys Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: auburn, wa Posts: 4,376	vallisneria spiralis

01-28-2007, 05:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
J4MES Lewis hamilton rules! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 143	Looks like a nice healthy plant there. Well done. J4MES __________________ Here fishy fishy...

01-28-2007, 10:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
OrionGirl Miss you, Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Location: California coastline Posts: 6,683	Gorgeous...I love how it fills that corner! __________________ ~Sheila tempus edax rerum Ideas do not have to be correct in order to be good; its only necessary that, if they do fail, they do so in an interesting way. ~Robert Rosen

02-27-2007, 09:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
J4MES Lewis hamilton rules! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 143	woops J4MES __________________ Here fishy fishy...

02-27-2007, 10:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
djlen Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Somerdale, NJ Posts: 512	Joe - are you sure that's Val.? I've grown all kinds of Val. and never seen it look quite like that. Especially any type of spiral or corkskrew Val. Looks more like Sagittaria subulata of some type to me. Len __________________ HAVE DISCS - WILL TRAVEL 'Life Is Difficult'. M. Scott Peck, The Road Less Traveled

01-28-2007, 04:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
joephys Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: auburn, wa Posts: 4,376	Thanks, thats an old shot. The thread is from august so the picture is at least that old or older. The tank doesn't look like that anymore. The stuff went from about 6 small plants to 1/3 of the tank so I pulled almost all of it out. It is slowly getting to the point where it will explode again though.

02-27-2007, 10:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
DaisyTattoo It's a girl Join Date: May 2006 Location: Peoria, Illinois Posts: 3,025	I was thinking that it didnt look like sprial val either....esp since it isn't spiralled lol.....just tell me to shutup, i just started with plants recently and I dont know what I'm talking about anyway.... __________________ It's not easy being a mother. If it were, fathers would do it.

02-27-2007, 12:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
joephys Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: auburn, wa Posts: 4,376	It could be, that is how it was sold when I bought it. I think that vallisneria spiralis is Italian vall, and that sprial vall is something different. I remember it confusing me at some point and when I looked it up, its just that the latin name is similar to the word spiral. I don't really know for sure though.

02-27-2007, 04:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
RTR RTR Join Date: May 2006 Location: Exurban MD, USA Posts: 837	Val. spiralis has flat leaves. The 'spiralis' species name refers to the flower stalk, which coils, not to the leaves at all. And I promise you it does coil. The tank varietes of this plant appear to be entirely female BTW, so there is frequent opportunity to see these spiralling flower stalks and their insignificant blooms. Don't get confused by expecting species or variety names to be always obviously descriptive of the vegatative plant (or fish). Do not expect Val 'nana' to be small in the sense of short - the leaves are almost as long as Jungle Val, just very thin. __________________ Where's the fish? - Neptune Last edited by RTR : 02-27-2007 at 04:07 PM.

02-28-2007, 09:03 AM	#10 (permalink)
djlen Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Somerdale, NJ Posts: 512	I have seen that occur with regard to plant size; ie. Cryptocoryne pygmea which refers to flower size not plant size, but was unaware there was a Val. that was in that category. Thanks, once again for the heads up on that one Robert. Len __________________ HAVE DISCS - WILL TRAVEL 'Life Is Difficult'. M. Scott Peck, The Road Less Traveled

03-14-2007, 08:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
Native American Rhodesian wheat fields Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SW OK, on the Red River Posts: 78	Corkscrew val is the one that, well, looks like a corkscrew, I would guess. Looks like Italian Val to me. I've got some in my son's 10gal, and it doesn't grow too tall, relatively speaking. But man does it send out runners fast. I just started with one sickly little bunch I divided into 3 rootings, and now they've quadrupled the number of leaves in a month via runners and just more leaves from the original plantings. Just a little fish poo makes this stuff have a population explosion. I've got giant val in my big tank...omgarsh, this stuff can get 3 feet long. Planted a couple sickly looking ones, and now I'm getting the Amazon look. JoePhys, I sure like your setup. v/r, N-A

03-15-2007, 06:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
Aussie_hippie_2 Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Physically? Wisco. Mentally? The Mountains. Posts: 814	Looks like Italian Val to me. How big is the tank?

03-17-2007, 09:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
Hound Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: California Posts: 27	Aye, my jungle val, which I wouldn't mind replacing, commonly get leaves in the 5' range before I trim them up. I know it doesn't like to get trimed, but it just keeps on growing and growing and growning . . .

08-12-2007, 08:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Native American Rhodesian wheat fields Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SW OK, on the Red River Posts: 78	RTR and Hound, I'm pulling out 6 foot leaves from my 100gal. Good Lord, I need some shorter stuff. Those Italian Vals the fish dealer sold me for my son's 10gal? They're all 3' long now! NOT Italian Vals, for sure. Trimming and pulling just to stay ahead. Joe, would you be willing to sell some of that shorter Val? Looks like what I need. The stuff I have is just too doggone long. Regards, N-A

08-13-2007, 06:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
sarcare Lost and Confused Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,902	NA, I have italian val that gets four to five feet easy--the Jungle val I have in there gets long as well, but the leaves are distinctly different. __________________ Reality--go 'way!

08-13-2007, 07:43 AM	#17 (permalink)
RTR RTR Join Date: May 2006 Location: Exurban MD, USA Posts: 837	Val is not always easy to distinguish between the many forms, excepting Jungle Val which is much larger and thicker leafed. It can in general behave a bit like many Crypts, varying growth form with tank conditions. LFS or chain store accuracy in labeling is never to be trusted. __________________ Where's the fish? - Neptune

08-14-2007, 04:57 PM	#20 (permalink)
Emg Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northeastern Ct Posts: 3,125	Looks alot like the val I got from Reiv..... __________________ Blog of my tanks and critters....come check em out and don't forget the archives ! http://emgstanks.blogspot.com/ Eileen

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